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Hugo Lordmagnus
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Zakhodit
Pilots are stealing from mission runners without those mission runners having the means to stop the theft or react to it. This is a loop hole in the way High Sec is intended to work and it needs to be changed now.
While I have plenty of opinions on ninja-salvaging, the most relevant one is that I think it's completely fair game. Here are some ways that you can prevent or respond to it:
1. Bring a friend to salvage for you.
2. Equip a tractor and salvager on your mission ship.
3. Warp out of the mission and come back later.
4. Shoot the wrecks.
5. If you can tank the damage, just stop killing things and wait until they leave.
6. If someone steals loot and you're confident in whatever way you can do it: blow up his/her ship.
I have used any of the above tactics, and nine of ten times, the ninja(s) leave and don't come back. Sometimes you get a persistent one, but from my experience--even in Dodixie--these aren't very common.
So, while I can sympathize with the frustration, I disagree that salvaging others' wrecks should be stealing.
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Hugo Lordmagnus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zakhodit
1. Doesn't change the fact that he's not flagged when he steals our salvage and would just get my friend and myself blown up for trying to stop him.
2. I have both on my paladin. I can't salvage everything at once.
3. So that all my salvage is stolen? Seriously what kind of advice is that?
4. Thus destroying my salvage so that NO one can have it. Pure genius.
5. The point is that because it's not a criminal offense, CONCORD will kill me if I attack him. Can't tank CONCORD.
6. They are not stealing the loot, and I'm quite confident I can blow up their ship. They are stealing my Salvage. And I can't blow him up for that because it's NOT a criminal offense which is the point of this thread.
Thank you for your comments and your poor comprehension skills.
Don't get me wrong; I don't like pilots taking salvage from my missions either. But, in your rush to point out what you perceive as poor comprehension on my part, I think you may have missed that my post was not really advice as much as reasons that I use to support my disagreement with your proposal.
In sum, I believe there are ways to try to protect "your salvage"; therefore, I disagree that salvaging others' wrecks should be a red-flagging or criminal action.
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Hugo Lordmagnus
Caldari
Vexillari
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Posted - 2009.12.16 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Komi Toran
Originally by: Zakhodit
1. Doesn't change the fact that he's not flagged when he steals our salvage and would just get my friend and myself blown up for trying to stop him.
When people steal your salvage, they are flagged. Although why you would put your salvage in a jet can in the first place is a mystery.
LOL
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Hugo Lordmagnus
Caldari
Vexillari
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Posted - 2009.12.17 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: CLETUS DEADMAN
When I complete a mission and return to the site with salvage ships and everything is gone, and there are four to six players (all red) cleaning out the next room I have a major issue with that. I created this and should be compensated for what CCP allows other to take.
You can absolutely be compensated: come back in a PvP fit and blow up their ships. Then you can loot probably half of what they've taken in addition to whatever their ship drops.
Hell, then you can even salvage their ship.
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Hugo Lordmagnus
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Vexillari
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Posted - 2009.12.17 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: CLETUS DEADMAN
Again, my point isn't that I can take back what is mine. My point is that the redistribution of wealth, my wealth, deserves compensation for my real money since it is generously provided to all by CCP.
If a player exploits, it is called a violation of the rules and the punishment can result in banning.
What is it called when the exploit is policy by the game designers?
How is providing to all what cost me a viable policy?
I see your point, and I think the root of the disagreement is in determining what is rightfully yours and what isn't within the game world.
With respect, the only thing that our real money (monthly fee) gets us is the right to log into EVE and control our characters. What we do with that, i.e. the ISK we earn, the salvage, loot, and ships we acquire, and the prestige we gain as we make a name for ourselves--none of that is deserved. It's taken in competition with all the other players out there.
So if someone tries to take salvage from your mission, then either you have to come up with a way to stop them or get it first or... well... it's gone.
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Hugo Lordmagnus
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Vexillari
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:21:00 -
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It's definitely not risk free; I've had several ninjas get popped in my missions.
The best one was when I started a L4, killed one or two ships, then warped out to AFK for some coffee. I come back in ten minutes later and there's a T2 frigate wreck, complete with a set of sisters combat probes and a cov ops cloaking device. Not ironically, I salvaged his wreck for a 12mil piece of T2 salvage.
Very generous ninja, if I say so myself.
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